The Next System Podcast

The Next System Podcast
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August 10, 2017

The Next System Podcast

The Next System Podcast is a biweekly series featuring leaders from academia, politics, business, and the grassroots discussing movements, models, and pathways toward a new system.

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Earth Day at 50

Earth Day at 50: The movement’s past in dialogue with its future

by Gus Speth, Dulce Arias

Gus Speth was active in the first Earth Day 50 years ago. Dulce Arias is a climate activist prepared to take the movement 50 years into the future. Together in The Next System Podcast they assess the successes and failures of the past and how a new generation is applying those lessons in an era of climate crisis. read more
Environment & Energy

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Moms 4 Housing sign

Direct action, moms and a housing crisis

by Dominique Walker, Juliana Broad, Isaiah J. Poole

How a takeover by four women of vacant housing in Oakland, California is helping drive systemic solutions to the housing crisis. read more
Community & Place Race & Ethnicity

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The Next System Podcast Episode 45

Talking racial trauma, healing and reparations with La June Montgomery Tabron

by Ronnie Galvin, La June Montgomery Tabron

The CEO of the W.K. Kellogg Foundation is leading a “truth, racial healing and transformation” effort that is ultimately designed to dismantle the discriminatory systems that have prevented families and communities from thriving. read more
Race & Ethnicity Movement Strategy & History

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The end of employee ownership at New Belgium

The end of employee ownership at New Belgium and why that matters

by Jessica Rose, Camille Kerr, Jason Wiener, Isaiah J. Poole

New Belgium Brewing was held up as a shining example of what could be possible through worker ownership. But its recent purchase by an international conglomerate raises questions about the best strategy and models for pursuing worker ownership. read more
Democratic Ownership

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Next System Podcast Job Guarantee

“Job Guarantee Now!” with Sarah Treuhaft and Darrick Hamilton

by Darrick Hamilton, Sarah Treuhaft, Isaiah J. Poole, Luís Garcia de la Cadena

A new “Job Guarantee Now!” campaign is now being launched, and Sarah Treuhaft of PolicyLink and Darrick Hamilton of the Kirwan Center on the Study of Race and Ethnicity explain why our “full-employment” economy is still not working for working people. read more
Democracy & Governance

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Marjorie Kelly and Ted Howard speaking at Busboys and Poets.

On “The Making of a Democratic Economy” with Marjorie Kelly and Ted Howard

by Marjorie Kelly, Ted Howard , Isaiah J. Poole

Majorie Kelly and Ted Howard have spent the past several months talking about their book, “The Making of a Democratic Economy.” They now share what they’ve learned and how it connects to the issues facing the country at the start of a new decade. read more
Democracy & Governance Democratic Ownership

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In-depth with Clark Arrington, a pioneer for cooperatives and black economic power (Part 2)

by John Duda, Clark Arrington

Democratic economy legal pioneer Clark Arrington talks about what happens when he took his cooperative vision to Africa, and what he’s up to today to help cooperatives assemble capital. read more

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Next System Podcast with Clark Arrington

In depth with Clark Arrington, a pioneer for cooperatives and black economic power (Part 1)

by John Duda, Clark Arrington

An exclusive conversation with a pioneer in the cooperative movement in both the US and Africa and a leader in the fight for Black economic power. read more

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Rise against predatory landlords

The homes guarantee: A promise of housing for people, not profit

by Adam Simpson, Stephanie Bastek, Tiana Caldwell, Saoirse Gowan, Tara Raghuveer, Christy Respress

We talk to people at the front lines of the nation’s housing affordability crisis and activists fighting for a “homes guarantee,” a set of systemic solutions based on the principle that housing is a human right. read more
Community & Place

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Democratizing power in rural America through electric co-ops

Democratizing power in rural America through electric co-ops

by Johanna Bozuwa, Nikita Perumal, Adam Simpson, Chris Woolery

In this episode, we’re discussing how to further democratize rural electric cooperatives and what that means for the communities that these institutions serve. read more
Democratic Ownership Environment & Energy

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The Next World podcast discusses school to prison pipeline

Reparations, the Green New Deal, and the school-to-prison pipeline

by Sarah Lazare, Puck Lo, Zakiya Sankara-Jabar

From our peers at “The Next World: A Podcast About Building Movements,” a talk with Zakiya Sankara-Jabar of the Dignity in Schools Campaign about the criminalization of black children, plus journalist Sarah Lazare on critical questions about the Green New Deal. read more
Environment & Energy Race & Ethnicity

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Reparations and the Democratic Economy

by Ron Daniels, Ronnie Galvin, Akilah Watkins-Butler

Four hundred years after the first African slaves were brought to America—the initial act of America’s “original sin”—the discussion of reparations has gained a new level of seriousness. read more
Race & Ethnicity Community & Place

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Election-year debate: “Wish-list economics” or necessary transformation?

by Johanna Bozuwa, Dana Brown, Ronnie Galvin, Saoirse Gowan, Thomas Hanna, Adam Simpson

The Democracy Collaborative weighs in on “wish-list economics,” making the case that in the face of extreme crises radical solutions are practical solutions. read more
Money & Banking Environment & Energy Race & Ethnicity Democratic Ownership

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The policy approach to mainstreaming worker ownership

by Saoirse Gowan, Mo Manklang, Adam Simpson

Worker ownership is now on the agenda of the 2020 presidential campaign. We discuss the proposals and how they address issues of worker power and economic inequality with Next System Project Policy Associate Peter Gowan and Mo Manklang of the US Federation of Worker Cooperatives. read more
Democratic Ownership

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Designing our communities for justice

by Johanna Bozuwa, Isaiah J. Poole, Basav Sen, Michael Velarde

Especially in light of the climate crisis, how can communities plan for their infrastructure needs with justice and inclusion at the forefront? The Next System Project’s Johanna Bozuwa, the Institute for Policy Study’s Basav Sen, and We Act for Environmental Justice’s Michael Velarde offer insights. read more
Community & Place Democracy & Governance

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Social wealth funds as vehicles of economic empowerment

by Gabriel Acevero, Jhumpa Bhattacharya, Matt Bruenig, Adam Simpson

Gabriel Acevero, Jhumpa Bhattacharya, and Matt Bruenig discuss how social wealth funds work and the transformative role they can play in the financial security of individuals and communities. read more
Democracy & Governance Money & Banking

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Keep it in the ground

How we power down the fossil fuel machine

by Kate Aronoff, Steve Kretzmann, Isaiah J. Poole, Carla Skandier

Confronting the fossil fuel industry is the first step in achieving a livable future. We discuss how we take on the industry once and for all. read more
Environment & Energy

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Participatory budgeting: When government really is by the people

by Shari Davis, Alexander Kolokotronis, Loriane Ngarambe, Adam Simpson

This week we are talking about deepening democracy in our communities through participatory budgeting and participatory decision making more broadly. read more
Democracy & Governance

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Financing the green transition

Financing the green transition

by Jackie Fielder, Adam Simpson, Carla Skandier, Kat Taylor

Meeting the goal of transitioning away from fossil fuels by 2030 will require new thinking about how to pay for that transition. On this episode of The Next System Podcast, we talk to a banker, a climate and public banking activist, and a Next System Project researcher about that challenge. read more
Environment & Energy

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From private profit to public alternatives

by Shahrzad Habibi, Thomas Hanna, Cat Hobbs, Adam Simpson

Public ownership is gaining ground against privatization—here’s why neoliberalism’s narrative is falling apart and why the people are taking back the economy. read more
Democratic Ownership Democracy & Governance Environment & Energy

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Sunrise Movement Green New Deal demonstration Congress

The Green New Deal and the shift to a new economy

by Johanna Bozuwa, Adam Simpson, Anthony Torres, Evan Weber

There is more at stake in the “Green New Deal” than protecting the planet from the threat of climate change; it’s also a chance to confront the inequities of the current economy. Johanna Bozuwa, research associate at The Next System Project; Anthony Torres, a campaign strategist at the Sierra Club; and Evan Weber, political director and co-founder of the Sunrise Movement, discuss the broader goals that the Green New Deal movement must achieve. read more
Environment & Energy

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When “growing the economy” is not the right answer: Moving to sustainability

by Carina Millstone, Adam Simpson

A deep dive into the fundamental transformations businesses must make to be truly sustainable, beyond superficial greenwashing. read more
Environment & Energy Democratic Ownership

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What banks owe communities: Towards a 21st century Community Reinvestment Act

by Devin Case-Ruchala, John Holdsclaw, Greg Jost, Isaiah J. Poole

Isaiah J. Poole and Devin Case-Ruchala discuss the future and yet-to-be-fulfilled potential of a landmark community investment law with John Holdsclaw and Gregory Jost, community development experts and practitioners. read more
Money & Banking Community & Place

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Overhead views of New York and LA with a bank icon superimposed across them

The Campaign for Public Banks, From Coast to Coast

by Adam Simpson, David Jette, Juleon Robinson

David Jette, the co-founder and legislative director of Public Bank LA, and Juleon Robinson, a program associate at the New Economy Project working on a campaign to establish a municipal bank in New York City, discuss the nationwide movement to establish public banks, including a landmark ballot measure in Los Angeles. read more
Money & Banking Democratic Ownership

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Episode 24: The Antidote to the Amazon Economy

by Stacy Mitchell, Katie Parker, Adam Simpson

Stacy Mitchell, Co-Director of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR) joins Adam Simpson and special co-host Katie Parker to discuss how locally-minded economics would change our communities. read more
Democratic Ownership Money & Banking

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Episode 23: Community Control of Land and Housing

by Jarrid Green, Adam Simpson

The Democracy Collaborative’s Senior Research Fellow, Jarrid Green, joins the Next System Podcast to discuss his new report on community control of land and housing, which includes a discussion of actionable policies that cities can take to push back against gentrification and build community wealth. read more
Community & Place

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Episode 22: The Preston Model for Economic Revival

by Adam Simpson, Matthew Brown

Matthew Brown joins the Next System Podcast to talk about the community wealth building movement in the UK. read more
Democratic Ownership

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Episode 21: Worker Cooperatives & System Change with Esteban Kelly

by Esteban Kelly, Adam Simpson

What role can worker coops play as part of a movement for system change? read more
Democratic Ownership

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Episode 20: Towards the Inclusive Workers’ Movement of the Future (W/ Dorian Warren)

by Adam Simpson, Dorian Warren

Dorian Warren joins the Next System Podcast to discuss the future of the labor movement, organizing for racial equity and an inclusive economy, and more. read more
Movement Strategy & History Race & Ethnicity Community & Place

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a map of the united states is colored in blue, excepting the counties of appalachia which are colored red with a paisley pattern

Episode 19: Extraction & Resilience in Appalachia (w/Elizabeth Catte)

by Elizabeth Catte, Adam Simpson

Elizabeth Catte, author of What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia, talks about what simple narratives explaining place-based poverty miss. read more
Movement Strategy & History

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Episode 18: The New Abolitionism & Monetary Freedom (w/Delman Coates)

by Delman Coates, Adam Simpson

Learning from a faith based strategy to engage communities as advocates for heterodox monetary policy. read more
Money & Banking Race & Ethnicity

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on a field with flowers, the word commons is displayed with a ghostly geometric pattern underneath the image.

Episode 17: Social Transformation Through ‘The Commons’ (w/ David Bollier)

by David Bollier, Adam Simpson

How the commons give us a frame to think against enclosures and towards a next system. read more
Democracy & Governance Community & Place Public Planning Money & Banking

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Episode 16: “Resist & Build”: Discussing the Solidarity Economy (w/ Emily Kawano)

by Emily Kawano, Adam Simpson

Emily Kawano discusses the solidarity economy as the end and means of system change. read more
Movement Strategy & History Democratic Ownership Community & Place
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Episode 15: How Communities Can Take Control of Their Police (w/ Max Rameau)

by Max Rameau, Adam Simpson

Why “community policing” isn’t going to end police violence, and what real community control of policing could look like. read more
Democracy & Governance Race & Ethnicity Community & Place Movement Strategy & History

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Episode 14: The Job Guarantee & Social Justice (w/ Pavlina Tcherneva)

by Pavlina Tcherneva, Cecilia Gingerich, Adam Simpson

Why guaranteeing everyone a job can both win crucial gains for all workers and build power to meet community needs. read more
Money & Banking Health & Wellbeing Democracy & Governance Gender & Sexuality

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Episode 13: Building the Caring Majority (w/ Sarita Gupta)

by Sarita Gupta, Dana Brown, Cecilia Gingerich

How do we organize to build a system that truly recognizes the existence and importance of care work? read more
Gender & Sexuality Community & Place Health & Wellbeing

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Episode 12: Black Power Vs. Black Capitalism (w/ Nishani Frazier)

by Nishani Frazier , Adam Simpson

Nishani Frazier discusses the history of CORE’s work for community-based economic development in Cleveland and the potential of today’s new radical black mayors. read more
Movement Strategy & History Race & Ethnicity Democratic Ownership

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Episode 11: The Transformative Potential of Public Ownership (w/Andrew Cumbers)

by Andrew Cumbers, Thomas Hanna, Adam Simpson

Andrew Cumbers discusses democratic public ownership of industry, large and small. read more
Democracy & Governance Democratic Ownership Public Planning

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Episode 10.2: The Pluralist Commonwealth (w/Gar Alperovitz)

by Gar Alperovitz, Adam Simpson

Gar Alperovitz discusses how what he calls the “pluralist commonwealth” charts a course beyond our current broken economic system. read more
Democracy & Governance Democratic Ownership Community & Place Movement Strategy & History Money & Banking

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Gar Alperovitz is on the right side of the screen, with icons from from left to right signifying his time in Wisconsin, his work on the decision to drop the atomic bomb, his work with MLK jr., and his antiwar efforts during Vietnam.

Episode 10.1: System Change, Past & Present (w/Gar Alperovitz)

by Gar Alperovitz, Adam Simpson

Gar Alperovitz describes his journey toward system change. read more
Movement Strategy & History Democracy & Governance

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Episode 9: Energizing Democracy By Democratizing Energy w/Denise Fairchild

by Johanna Bozuwa, Denise Fairchild, Adam Simpson

A conversation with the co-editor of “Energy Democracy: Advancing Equity in Clean Energy Solutions” read more
Environment & Energy Democracy & Governance Democratic Ownership

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Episode 8: The Next System of Media w/Laura Flanders

by Laura Flanders, Adam Simpson

Independent journalist Laura Flanders discusses the next system of media on our latest podcast. read more
Democratic Ownership Movement Strategy & History

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Episode 7: Why Climate Change Necessitates System Change w/Gus Speth

by Adam Simpson, Gus Speth

Environmental leader James Gustave Speth joins the Next System Podcast to discuss his own journey toward system change as well as the past, present, and future of the environmental movement. read more
Environment & Energy Movement Strategy & History

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Four fractal trees creep out from the center of the screen. A horizontal line runs across the screen, white on top, red on the bottom.

Episode 6: Capital Bias vs. Generative Design w/ Marjorie Kelly

by Marjorie Kelly, Adam Simpson

This week, Adam sits down with Marjorie Kelly to find out why she believes that we need a new language to talk about the way capital creates inequality, and why worker ownership is fundamental to building a new economy. read more
Democratic Ownership Democracy & Governance

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A blue and green sphere hangs in space, the sphere is divided down the middle with a human face on the left, a world on fire on the right.

Episode 5: Toward Climate Justice w/ Jacqueline Patterson & Basav Sen

by Jacqueline Patterson, Basav Sen, Adam Simpson

The NAACP’s Jacqueline Patterson and IPS’ Basav Sen define and discuss climate justice on the Next System Podcast. read more
Environment & Energy Race & Ethnicity

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A silhouette of person cutting wires frames an image of a set of wrenches. The background appears to be a damaged industrial setting, a concrete wall with pink splotches.

Episode 4: Darrick Hamilton on the racial wealth gap & the job guarantee

by Darrick Hamilton, Adam Simpson

On the Next System Podcast, Darrick Hamilton discusses his work as a “stratification economist” on the racial wealth gap in the US and why we need a federal job guarantee. read more
Public Planning Community & Place Race & Ethnicity Movement Strategy & History

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Episode 3: Carbon tax & Social Dividends w/ Jeremiah Lowery & Camila Thorndike

by Jeremiah Lowery, Adam Simpson, Carla Skandier, Camila Thorndike

Can tax and dividend strategy simultaneously combat inequality and climate change? read more
Environment & Energy Community & Place

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A delicious donut with pink frosting is used to depict the basics of Kate Raworth's 'Doughnut Economics' model.

Episode 2: Kate Raworth on ‘Doughnut Economics’

by Adam Simpson, Kate Raworth

How can a doughnut help us understand what outdated economic narratives leave out, and help us build the economics we need for the 21st century? read more
Environment & Energy Health & Wellbeing Public Planning Community & Place Gender & Sexuality

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Ep. 1: Gar Alperovitz & Gus Speth on the Next System

by Adam Simpson, Gus Speth, Gar Alperovitz

NSP Co-Chairs discuss the current political context and the pathways toward transformation. read more
Democracy & Governance Environment & Energy Movement Strategy & History